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		<title>By: Jock</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/08/the-gap-left-by-the-fairfax-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I agree with your analysis. And imagine how much worse the Saturday paper would have been if the foreign correspondents had not filed for that issue. 

Adrian, thanks for your response. Regarding your comment &quot;I don’t have a dog in this fight,&quot; allow me to disagree. One dog is your Sydney friends. They and ultimately all Australians will suffer from a weaker Sydney Morning Herald. Public debate will suffer, democracy will suffer, alternative perspectives and challenges to power will all suffer. 

Also, this is an international story, Adrian, dragging your dogs into it yet again. I see a link between cost-cutting media corporations and cost-cutting airlines, even the previously reputable carriers. We are all at risk from both prospects, in the media sense from many international versions of my SMH example, and in aircraft through a risk to our lives. 

Similarly our wages are at risk. I wouldn&#039;t mind if the world&#039;s wages were rising as the West&#039;s fell. But the Western trend is for capital to increase its share of the &quot;pie&quot; at the expense of labour. Apologies for using Marxist terms; I am more of a Buddhist than a Leninist. But the figures support this, at least within the Western countries. 

As for your comment, Adrian, that &quot;I was really trying to draw attention to Berelson’s original - not widely available online,&quot; I appreciate your point because this is your blog and you can do what you will. I was angered though that someone was using this Fairfax fight for an unrelated purpose, in a way that I didn&#039;t see as constructive. But I acknowledge you have contributed particularly by starting a debate. 

It&#039;s interesting that Mike saw less of the contrast between today and 1945 though, given your attempt, Adrian, to highlight that contrast. If you heard the conversations around Sydney cafes you might revise your thesis. 

As for Crikey not existing &quot;to comment on its woes if the media landscape hadn’t changed fundamentally&quot; I would respond that many blogs, and perhaps smaller websites such as Crikey, could not exist without the huge output of information from serious media, which they often get for free now on the internet. All too often bloggers consume this information, and regurgitate it through the prism of their own opinion, along the way attacking or criticising the professional product that fed them. 

None of that should suggest that I don&#039;t have a critique of corporate media myself. Later... 

Good luck with your expanding girth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I agree with your analysis. And imagine how much worse the Saturday paper would have been if the foreign correspondents had not filed for that&nbsp;issue. </p>
<p>Adrian, thanks for your response. Regarding your comment &#8220;I don’t have a dog in this fight,&#8221; allow me to disagree. One dog is your Sydney friends. They and ultimately all Australians will suffer from a weaker Sydney Morning Herald. Public debate will suffer, democracy will suffer, alternative perspectives and challenges to power will all&nbsp;suffer. </p>
<p>Also, this is an international story, Adrian, dragging your dogs into it yet again. I see a link between cost-cutting media corporations and cost-cutting airlines, even the previously reputable carriers. We are all at risk from both prospects, in the media sense from many international versions of my <span class="caps">SMH</span> example, and in aircraft through a risk to our&nbsp;lives. </p>
<p>Similarly our wages are at risk. I wouldn&#8217;t mind if the world&#8217;s wages were rising as the West&#8217;s fell. But the Western trend is for capital to increase its share of the &#8220;pie&#8221; at the expense of labour. Apologies for using Marxist terms; I am more of a Buddhist than a Leninist. But the figures support this, at least within the Western&nbsp;countries. </p>
<p>As for your comment, Adrian, that &#8220;I was really trying to draw attention to Berelson’s original - not widely available online,&#8221; I appreciate your point because this is your blog and you can do what you will. I was angered though that someone was using this Fairfax fight for an unrelated purpose, in a way that I didn&#8217;t see as constructive. But I acknowledge you have contributed particularly by starting a&nbsp;debate. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Mike saw less of the contrast between today and 1945 though, given your attempt, Adrian, to highlight that contrast. If you heard the conversations around Sydney cafes you might revise your&nbsp;thesis. </p>
<p>As for Crikey not existing &#8220;to comment on its woes if the media landscape hadn’t changed fundamentally&#8221; I would respond that many blogs, and perhaps smaller websites such as Crikey, could not exist without the huge output of information from serious media, which they often get for free now on the internet. All too often bloggers consume this information, and regurgitate it through the prism of their own opinion, along the way attacking or criticising the professional product that fed&nbsp;them. </p>
<p>None of that should suggest that I don&#8217;t have a critique of corporate media myself.&nbsp;Later&#8230; </p>
<p>Good luck with your expanding&nbsp;girth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hanley</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/08/the-gap-left-by-the-fairfax-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-992</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact is that unless you are an smh.com afficionado, and many people are, you couldn&#039;t tell that the journos were on strike. That&#039;s because the online product has a lot of &#039;media bulemia&#039;-type celebrity stories that attract all the attention away from the serious journalism that does appear on the site. 

The weekend newspapers were, however, unreadable. Even the headlines were shocking, in a bad way, and it must have been apparent - even to the management - that a product of such shabby quality has a half life of weeks - hence the resolution of the strike early this week with a revised pay offer and capitulation from the union.  On Saturday, with Mike Carlton unceremoniously dumped for the likes of Miranda Devine, I felt like Berelson&#039;s subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact is that unless you are an smh.com afficionado, and many people are, you couldn&#8217;t tell that the journos were on strike. That&#8217;s because the online product has a lot of &#8216;media bulemia&#8217;-type celebrity stories that attract all the attention away from the serious journalism that does appear on the&nbsp;site. </p>
<p>The weekend newspapers were, however, unreadable. Even the headlines were shocking, in a bad way, and it must have been apparent - even to the management - that a product of such shabby quality has a half life of weeks - hence the resolution of the strike early this week with a revised pay offer and capitulation from the union.  On Saturday, with Mike Carlton unceremoniously dumped for the likes of Miranda Devine, I felt like Berelson&#8217;s&nbsp;subjects.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;@Jock&lt;/em&gt; - I don&#039;t have a dog in this fight. I was really trying to draw attention to Berelson&#039;s original - not widely available online. 

Bernard Berelson, &lt;em&gt;What Missing the Newspaper Means&lt;/em&gt;, in Paul F. Lazarsfeld and Frank N. Stanton, eds., &lt;b&gt;Communications Research: 1948-49&lt;/b&gt; (New York: Harper, 1949)

I was contrasting the visceral, emotional effects of removing a newspaper from people&#039;s lives in 1945 with the less obviously visceral effects of removing one today.

I&#039;d have thought that short of purchasing large display ads, the best way people can support the SMH is by encouraging friends to subscribe to it, or buy it.

Eric Beecher sums it up in Crikey pretty well. The SMH is going to be less than it was. But then Crikey wouldn&#039;t exist to comment on its woes if the media landscape hadn&#039;t changed fundamentally... 

As for the website, well it just shows you how many news alternatives people have today. And friends in Sydney have observed that they found it hard to believe there was a strike on when looking at the website. But, &lt;em&gt;@BillPosters&lt;/em&gt;, maybe they&#039;re not sophisticated consumers.    

I&#039;m not a Buddhist - despite burgeoning physical similarities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>@Jock</em> - I don&#8217;t have a dog in this fight. I was really trying to draw attention to Berelson&#8217;s original - not widely available&nbsp;online. </p>
<p>Bernard Berelson, <em>What Missing the Newspaper Means</em>, in Paul F. Lazarsfeld and Frank N. Stanton, eds., <b>Communications Research: 1948-49</b> (New York: Harper,&nbsp;1949)</p>
<p>I was contrasting the visceral, emotional effects of removing a newspaper from people&#8217;s lives in 1945 with the less obviously visceral effects of removing one&nbsp;today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have thought that short of purchasing large display ads, the best way people can support the <span class="caps">SMH</span> is by encouraging friends to subscribe to it, or buy&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>Eric Beecher sums it up in Crikey pretty well. The <span class="caps">SMH</span> is going to be less than it was. But then Crikey wouldn&#8217;t exist to comment on its woes if the media landscape hadn&#8217;t changed&nbsp;fundamentally&#8230; </p>
<p>As for the website, well it just shows you how many news alternatives people have today. And friends in Sydney have observed that they found it hard to believe there was a strike on when looking at the website. But, <em>@BillPosters</em>, maybe they&#8217;re not sophisticated&nbsp;consumers.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Buddhist - despite burgeoning physical&nbsp;similarities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jock</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/08/the-gap-left-by-the-fairfax-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian wrote: Sixty-plus years on, would you expect anything like the emotional reactions Berelson listed above? And looking at the site, can you even tell there’s a strike on?

Adrian -- My gripe is that you bung in a few quotes but what you are contributing? You are using this industrial dispute to make some self-indulgent point, with your ending: &quot;Yes, there are many new ways to fill the void…&quot; But what is your point? 

If you&#039;ve got something to say, why don&#039;t you say it? It seems to me you&#039;re some kind of Buddhist. If you left me with that impression, which was probably not your intention, then you haven&#039;t communicated clearly. 

Meanwhile, many people in Sydney care about the paper and don&#039;t want it run down; they have been supporting the journalists in the past week. The paper and the website are somewhat separate. The paper is more upmarket, while the website is run by a separate part of the company with a different culture and priorities. There is something of a tension between the two. 

The answer to &quot;can you tell the difference&quot; depends on how familiar you are with the pre-strike paper and website, as well as the fact that the company has access to a large pool of strike-breaking labour from around the country (and wire copy, as noted). 

Anyway, what do you think about this industrial action and the underlying issue of mass redundancies by a management apparently intent on harvesting market share? 

I think the cost savings (redundancies) would be more digestible if management didn&#039;t take half the gains made in bonuses and tell fibs about the impact on quality. 

Toodle pip, old son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian wrote: Sixty-plus years on, would you expect anything like the emotional reactions Berelson listed above? And looking at the site, can you even tell there’s a strike&nbsp;on?</p>
<p>Adrian&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;My gripe is that you bung in a few quotes but what you are contributing? You are using this industrial dispute to make some self-indulgent point, with your ending: &#8220;Yes, there are many new ways to fill the void…&#8221; But what is your&nbsp;point? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got something to say, why don&#8217;t you say it? It seems to me you&#8217;re some kind of Buddhist. If you left me with that impression, which was probably not your intention, then you haven&#8217;t communicated&nbsp;clearly. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, many people in Sydney care about the paper and don&#8217;t want it run down; they have been supporting the journalists in the past week. The paper and the website are somewhat separate. The paper is more upmarket, while the website is run by a separate part of the company with a different culture and priorities. There is something of a tension between the&nbsp;two. </p>
<p>The answer to &#8220;can you tell the difference&#8221; depends on how familiar you are with the pre-strike paper and website, as well as the fact that the company has access to a large pool of strike-breaking labour from around the country (and wire copy, as&nbsp;noted). </p>
<p>Anyway, what do you think about this industrial action and the underlying issue of mass redundancies by a management apparently intent on harvesting market&nbsp;share? </p>
<p>I think the cost savings (redundancies) would be more digestible if management didn&#8217;t take half the gains made in bonuses and tell fibs about the impact on&nbsp;quality. </p>
<p>Toodle pip, old&nbsp;son.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Posters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Posters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And looking at the site, can you even tell there’s a strike on?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course.  More mistakes, more rubbish stories and much, much more wire copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And looking at the site, can you even tell there’s a strike&nbsp;on?</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course.  More mistakes, more rubbish stories and much, much more wire&nbsp;copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The desire to &quot;connect&quot; with the outside world and associate yourself with something larger (i.e. your country or favorite football team) is natural, not some sad attempt to fill your loneliness.  Our ability to engage one another on so many levels is what makes humans so special - and newspapers so useful.  Sure, the connection may be passive through print, pushed via email or pulled through online or mobile - but the connection is still there.  In fact, their growing and evolving, more interactive and mutli-dimentional.  Yet content remains at its core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The desire to &#8220;connect&#8221; with the outside world and associate yourself with something larger (i.e. your country or favorite football team) is natural, not some sad attempt to fill your loneliness.  Our ability to engage one another on so many levels is what makes humans so special - and newspapers so useful.  Sure, the connection may be passive through print, pushed via email or pulled through online or mobile - but the connection is still there.  In fact, their growing and evolving, more interactive and mutli-dimentional.  Yet content remains at its&nbsp;core.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jock - What the hell don&#039;t you get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jock - What the hell don&#8217;t you&nbsp;get?</p>
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		<title>By: Jock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell are you trying to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell are you trying to&nbsp;say?</p>
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