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		<title>By: Bertie Humbug</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/09/why-i-will-never-be-a-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-3274</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertie Humbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didnt explain why you would never be a Conservative? Care to actually finish your post??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didnt explain why you would never be a Conservative? Care to actually finish your post??</p>
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		<title>By: Jim P</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/09/why-i-will-never-be-a-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-2982</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the room mate in question, I certainly echo the sentiments of the blog - or the title at any rate. And in a heart felt riposte to Daniel, I have to express my view that the true absurdity lay in the cold heartedness of monetarist economists and politicians who believed that society was dead and the individualism of capitalist excess was a greater goal than the welfare (or indeed the lives) of honest hard working men. And in any case, having experienced the cruel reality of the impact of unemployment at such close, and unforgiving quarters, one can be forgiven for allowing ones heart to play some role in determining ones political philosophy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the room mate in question, I certainly echo the sentiments of the blog — or the title at any rate. And in a heart felt riposte to Daniel, I have to express my view that the true absurdity lay in the cold heartedness of monetarist economists and politicians who believed that society was dead and the individualism of capitalist excess was a greater goal than the welfare (or indeed the lives) of honest hard working men. And in any case, having experienced the cruel reality of the impact of unemployment at such close, and unforgiving quarters, one can be forgiven for allowing ones heart to play some role in determining ones political philosophy!</p>
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		<title>By: Hardwood Flooring Orange County</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardwood Flooring Orange County</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that go hand in hand with international policies enforced by the big boys, right wingers, and conservatives. The fact that many lives abroad and here were lost in the name of freedom. Truthfully filling their pockets with almighty dollar.Thanks for the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that go hand in hand with international policies enforced by the big boys, right wingers, and conservatives. The fact that many lives abroad and here were lost in the name of freedom. Truthfully filling their pockets with almighty dollar.Thanks for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/09/why-i-will-never-be-a-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-2335</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can’t join in the general praise of this article, I’m afraid; I find its tone juvenile and its content absurd (I can’t believe that your father ‘kept [his caravan] heated by smoking yet more of the cigarettes that eventually killed him’, because it wouldn’t achieve that end; if you’re making a particular point about smoking, your father was an adult and it was his choice to smoke - surely you don&#039;t blame that on the conservatives?), albeit moving in the particular sense.

You realised that ‘none of [the conservatives] had done anything to harm [your] father’ but because of what happened to him you will never be a conservative. Is this logical?

What do you suppose should have happened to your father’s job? Somehow, fibreglass should have been disinvented by the Tories? Or should they have banned it? Or should the wooden boat industry have received government subsidies to go on producing wooden boats when people really wanted fibreglass ones? Perhaps they could have introduced import tarriffs on fibreglass boats – but what of the jobs lost to our exporters in the inevitable retaliations?

Where does this end - with spinning jennies still spinning and no tractors in the fields?

I have great sympathy for your personal position, and that of your father, and I can understand – for personal reasons – how distressing it would have been to see a great (in your eyes, I’m sure) man brought so low. But governments and political movements cannot make law or policy based on sad individual stories.

Equally, no government can turn back the tide of progress – however much we might wish it could - and this is the great lie of socialism.

The capitalist system generally espoused by conservatives and rejected by socialists is flawed – but however flawed it is, it is not so flawed as socialism. Conservatism has given us, generally, immeasurably better lives than we would have experienced under socialism – ask those who grew up under the Soviets. That is a fact, however sad your father’s situation was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t join in the general praise of this article, I’m afraid; I find its tone juvenile and its content absurd (I can’t believe that your father ‘kept [his caravan] heated by smoking yet more of the cigarettes that eventually killed him’, because it wouldn’t achieve that end; if you’re making a particular point about smoking, your father was an adult and it was his choice to smoke — surely you don’t blame that on the conservatives?), albeit moving in the particular sense.</p>
<p>You realised that ‘none of [the conservatives] had done anything to harm [your] father’ but because of what happened to him you will never be a conservative. Is this logical?</p>
<p>What do you suppose should have happened to your father’s job? Somehow, fibreglass should have been disinvented by the Tories? Or should they have banned it? Or should the wooden boat industry have received government subsidies to go on producing wooden boats when people really wanted fibreglass ones? Perhaps they could have introduced import tarriffs on fibreglass boats – but what of the jobs lost to our exporters in the inevitable retaliations?</p>
<p>Where does this end — with spinning jennies still spinning and no tractors in the fields?</p>
<p>I have great sympathy for your personal position, and that of your father, and I can understand – for personal reasons – how distressing it would have been to see a great (in your eyes, I’m sure) man brought so low. But governments and political movements cannot make law or policy based on sad individual stories.</p>
<p>Equally, no government can turn back the tide of progress – however much we might wish it could — and this is the great lie of socialism.</p>
<p>The capitalist system generally espoused by conservatives and rejected by socialists is flawed – but however flawed it is, it is not so flawed as socialism. Conservatism has given us, generally, immeasurably better lives than we would have experienced under socialism – ask those who grew up under the Soviets. That is a fact, however sad your father’s situation was.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Iasoni</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/09/why-i-will-never-be-a-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria Iasoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know how I came across your blog.  I am writing from the USA.   Many of us are facing or will be facing the dislocation of unemployment.  

What you wrote hit a note in my much longer life.  
The medium which you are using will connect us with ideas which will sustain us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t know how I came across your blog.  I am writing from the USA.   Many of us are facing or will be facing the dislocation of unemployment.  </p>
<p>What you wrote hit a note in my much longer life.<br />
The medium which you are using will connect us with ideas which will sustain us.</p>
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		<title>By: 2008 - top ten&#160;posts &#124; Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>2008 - top ten&#160;posts &#124; Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why I Will Never Be A Conservative A scene from my&#160;life. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian

Have only just read this post. Which moved me more than anything else I have read of what you have written. You wrote it from the heart. But it is also about all sons and fathers.

My Dad, like yours, knew his grains of wood. But he never understood why I moved away from the Conservatism of my youth and early adult years. Because trade unionists in his own factory were encouraging the men to walk out with the factory products. My father sided with bosses, and exposed his workmates, which meant he had a difficult time! But he took solace from the Daily Mail, who told him he was doing right.

That&#039;s why I am not a Conservative. Because I could see how he had been exploited by his employers. Who never appreciated and rewarded his intelligence. Because he was paid to work with his hands, not his brain.

But my father was never a management lackey. And, from how you describe him, neither was yours.

Cheers

Bob Jones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian</p>
<p>Have only just read this post. Which moved me more than anything else I have read of what you have written. You wrote it from the heart. But it is also about all sons and fathers.</p>
<p>My Dad, like yours, knew his grains of wood. But he never understood why I moved away from the Conservatism of my youth and early adult years. Because trade unionists in his own factory were encouraging the men to walk out with the factory products. My father sided with bosses, and exposed his workmates, which meant he had a difficult time! But he took solace from the Daily Mail, who told him he was doing right.</p>
<p>That’s why I am not a Conservative. Because I could see how he had been exploited by his employers. Who never appreciated and rewarded his intelligence. Because he was paid to work with his hands, not his brain.</p>
<p>But my father was never a management lackey. And, from how you describe him, neither was yours.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Bob Jones</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post totally held my attention. I would gladly have read more!</description>
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		<title>By: Why he will never vote Conservative &#171; Almost not there</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why he will never vote Conservative &#171; Almost not there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lara Pawson</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/09/why-i-will-never-be-a-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara Pawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only just seen this Adrian. Fucking great post. Write the book, man! Peter&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only just seen this Adrian. Fucking great post. Write the book, man! Peter’s right.</p>
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