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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/british-political-tv-ads-courtesy-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-2725</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, by democratic integrity, HMG means reinforcing the established political triocracy and preventing minority parties from having access to the electorate. then that&#039;s democracy.

If HMG were genuinely concerned about the super-rich distorting the system, then your Russian plutocrats would be kept out of our other media and strict media ownership rules would be reintroduced.  What&#039; so precious about TV anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, by democratic integrity, <span class="caps">HMG</span> means reinforcing the established political triocracy and preventing minority parties from having access to the electorate. then that&#8217;s&nbsp;democracy.</p>
<p>If <span class="caps">HMG</span> were genuinely concerned about the super-rich distorting the system, then your Russian plutocrats would be kept out of our other media and strict media ownership rules would be reintroduced.  What&#8217; so precious about <span class="caps">TV</span>&nbsp;anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: cearta.ie » Normal service is being resumed: religious and political advertising bans</title>
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		<dc:creator>cearta.ie » Normal service is being resumed: religious and political advertising bans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the European Court of Human Rights reaffirmed VgT, and this time, the reasoning is much better (see adrian monck &#124; Benedict Pringle &#124; content and carrier &#124; MediaPal@LSE &#124; Trans-Atlantic Post &#124; OfcomWatch). The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the European Court of Human Rights reaffirmed VgT, and this time, the reasoning is much better (see adrian monck | Benedict Pringle | content and carrier | MediaPal@<span class="caps">LSE</span> | Trans-Atlantic Post | OfcomWatch). The&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adrian

Interesting post - especially agree with the &#039;law as unrefined politics in this context&#039; point near the end.

To pick up your third reservation, though, there are two components of the UK ban, the first focused on party political adverts (mitigated by PEBs and PPBs), the second also precluding comment by any other  &#039;political&#039; organisation or other person with a political message.  A relaxation of the ban re the  second aspect need not impact on party finances at all. Indeed, it might take the pressure off a bit if others were carrying the spend on their behalf.

To date, those frustrated by the ban have been charities and marginalised groups (ADI, ProLife Alliance, Making Poverty History, Oxfam, Amnesty, RSPCA etc - hence the report put out by Baroness Kennedy et al last year), not the uber-rich factions (they can get around the ban by buying newspapers, or by having PR agencies supply copy). Hence, the former are the voices that are excluded from the MSM to a greater or lesser extent (see Rowntree Foundation report on poverty reporting); at least, their viewpoints are always mediated. Corporations remain free to advertise their partial perspectives in &#039;commercial&#039; advertising slots (most egregiously, and in some cases humorously &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jan/24/ethicalliving.climatechange&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;by car manufacturers&lt;/a&gt;). Of course, this might change if the ban were lifted and those from the latter category came to see advertising as the easier route (for a dystopian view - that is a comment on the US experience -  see Falk, Grizard and McDonald (2006) Legislative Issue Advertising in the 108th Congress: Pluralism or Peril? Harvard International Journal of Press/Politics, 11(4):148-164).

Most important though are issues of audience and media response to such messaging. In the latter respect, as per TransAtlantic, might we not expect journalists to pick up and challenge propositions put in advertisements. It would after all be obvious to spot - the naked exercise of power, rather than the obscured version that we have today. In the first regard, research evidence from the states suggests that viewers turn off or even adopt an oppositional standpoint to (third party) campaign ads (see the entertaining &lt;i&gt;Pulp Politics&lt;/i&gt;, author forgotten for now), and that such advertising is largely  ineffective in terms of persuading people (although it is very effective in terms of agenda-setting inside the Beltway - see Falk et al (2003)). One might argue that all publicity is good publicity - and ADI certainly got a bang for their buck in terms of coverage of (the early stages of) their action - but doesn&#039;t this speak directly to your trust/credibility line of thought...

Anyway, best regards
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&nbsp;Adrian</p>
<p>Interesting post - especially agree with the &#8216;law as unrefined politics in this context&#8217; point near the&nbsp;end.</p>
<p>To pick up your third reservation, though, there are two components of the <span class="caps">UK</span> ban, the first focused on party political adverts (mitigated by PEBs and PPBs), the second also precluding comment by any other  &#8216;political&#8217; organisation or other person with a political message.  A relaxation of the ban re the  second aspect need not impact on party finances at all. Indeed, it might take the pressure off a bit if others were carrying the spend on their&nbsp;behalf.</p>
<p>To date, those frustrated by the ban have been charities and marginalised groups (<span class="caps">ADI</span>, ProLife Alliance, Making Poverty History, Oxfam, Amnesty, <span class="caps">RSPCA</span> etc - hence the report put out by Baroness Kennedy et al last year), not the uber-rich factions (they can get around the ban by buying newspapers, or by having <span class="caps">PR</span> agencies supply copy). Hence, the former are the voices that are excluded from the <span class="caps">MSM</span> to a greater or lesser extent (see Rowntree Foundation report on poverty reporting); at least, their viewpoints are always mediated. Corporations remain free to advertise their partial perspectives in &#8216;commercial&#8217; advertising slots (most egregiously, and in some cases humorously <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jan/24/ethicalliving.climatechange" rel="nofollow">by car manufacturers</a>). Of course, this might change if the ban were lifted and those from the latter category came to see advertising as the easier route (for a dystopian view - that is a comment on the <span class="caps">US</span> experience -  see Falk, Grizard and McDonald (2006) Legislative Issue Advertising in the 108th Congress: Pluralism or Peril? Harvard International Journal of Press/Politics,&nbsp;11(4):148-164).</p>
<p>Most important though are issues of audience and media response to such messaging. In the latter respect, as per TransAtlantic, might we not expect journalists to pick up and challenge propositions put in advertisements. It would after all be obvious to spot - the naked exercise of power, rather than the obscured version that we have today. In the first regard, research evidence from the states suggests that viewers turn off or even adopt an oppositional standpoint to (third party) campaign ads (see the entertaining <i>Pulp Politics</i>, author forgotten for now), and that such advertising is largely  ineffective in terms of persuading people (although it is very effective in terms of agenda-setting inside the Beltway - see Falk et al (2003)). One might argue that all publicity is good publicity - and <span class="caps">ADI</span> certainly got a bang for their buck in terms of coverage of (the early stages of) their action - but doesn&#8217;t this speak directly to your trust/credibility line of&nbsp;thought&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, best regards<br />&nbsp;Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: TransAtlantic</title>
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		<dc:creator>TransAtlantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Obama campaign just proved that the conservative realist isn&#039;t always right, didn&#039;t it? The noble cents with dreams in that campaign added up to the point that they were outspending the ignoble McCain dollars by 3 to 1 on the air. 

I grant you, the system is open to abuse and misinformation: but shutting it down entirely is not a reasoned answer. I think that, even with its flaws, the US system is far superior. The matter for debate there is not whether or not they should allow political ads - simply how they should be funded. 

There is no reason we couldn&#039;t have that same debate ongoing in the UK &lt;i&gt;while&lt;/i&gt; Political Ads were made legal. 

I don&#039;t for a minute believe that it will lead to a sudden increase in negative, or ignoble, ads - for two reasons: 1) Some PPBs are already negative - so in terms of &lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt; it would be no different to the current situation (there would just be a greater number), and 2) the &quot;ignoble dollars&quot; are most likely to come from big corporations (like Oil Companies), who are already free to run as many Ads as they like on TV - cf: the number of car ads, alcohol ads, etc, already on the airwaves. 

Anyhow - my support for political ads is more practical than it is ideological: I feel that campaigns are prohibited from advertising here, in whatever form, and the electorate tend to be less educated and less engaged as a result. That, in turn, makes campaigning much harder. 


---and to respond to the newspaper issue: I don&#039;t agree at all - they&#039;re so involved in partisan politics that they would lap this up! Just because ITV or five have a few ads from Cameron or Brown doesn&#039;t give them a political allegiance (especially if they have ads from both parties).... but it certainly does give the papers material to &quot;report on&quot; (trans. &quot;work with&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Obama campaign just proved that the conservative realist isn&#8217;t always right, didn&#8217;t it? The noble cents with dreams in that campaign added up to the point that they were outspending the ignoble McCain dollars by 3 to 1 on the&nbsp;air. </p>
<p>I grant you, the system is open to abuse and misinformation: but shutting it down entirely is not a reasoned answer. I think that, even with its flaws, the <span class="caps">US</span> system is far superior. The matter for debate there is not whether or not they should allow political ads - simply how they should be&nbsp;funded. </p>
<p>There is no reason we couldn&#8217;t have that same debate ongoing in the <span class="caps">UK</span> <i>while</i> Political Ads were made&nbsp;legal. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t for a minute believe that it will lead to a sudden increase in negative, or ignoble, ads - for two reasons: 1) Some PPBs are already negative - so in terms of <i>content</i> it would be no different to the current situation (there would just be a greater number), and 2) the &#8220;ignoble dollars&#8221; are most likely to come from big corporations (like Oil Companies), who are already free to run as many Ads as they like on <span class="caps">TV</span> - cf: the number of car ads, alcohol ads, etc, already on the&nbsp;airwaves. </p>
<p>Anyhow - my support for political ads is more practical than it is ideological: I feel that campaigns are prohibited from advertising here, in whatever form, and the electorate tend to be less educated and less engaged as a result. That, in turn, makes campaigning much&nbsp;harder. </p>
<p>&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;-and to respond to the newspaper issue: I don&#8217;t agree at all - they&#8217;re so involved in partisan politics that they would lap this up! Just because <span class="caps">ITV</span> or five have a few ads from Cameron or Brown doesn&#8217;t give them a political allegiance (especially if they have ads from both parties)&#8230;. but it certainly does give the papers material to &#8220;report on&#8221; (trans. &#8220;work&nbsp;with&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The libertarian idealist part of me likes the idea. The conservative realist in me thinks that for every noble cent with a dream there&#039;s an ignoble dollar waiting to crush it.

Newspapers don&#039;t want TV to become a partisan playground - that&#039;s their job.

Will check out the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The libertarian idealist part of me likes the idea. The conservative realist in me thinks that for every noble cent with a dream there&#8217;s an ignoble dollar waiting to crush&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>Newspapers don&#8217;t want <span class="caps">TV</span> to become a partisan playground - that&#8217;s their&nbsp;job.</p>
<p>Will check out the&nbsp;post!</p>
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		<title>By: TransAtlantic</title>
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		<dc:creator>TransAtlantic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian - I&#039;m pleased by this decision. As a campaigner, it is hard to engage the public when you are essentially prohibited by law from communicating with them at every turn. 

What&#039;s your rationale for saying that the British Print Media will oppose the introduction of political advertising?

I&#039;ve blogged on this, too. Let me know what you think:
www.transatlanticpost.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian - I&#8217;m pleased by this decision. As a campaigner, it is hard to engage the public when you are essentially prohibited by law from communicating with them at every&nbsp;turn. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your rationale for saying that the British Print Media will oppose the introduction of political&nbsp;advertising?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve blogged on this, too. Let me know what you think:<br />&nbsp;<a href="http://www.transatlanticpost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.transatlanticpost.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christmas comes early</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christmas comes early</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the decision here and further comments from OfcomWatch (Russ Taylor) and MediaPal@LSE (Andrew) and Adrian Monck. While some of the counterarguments are dealt with in a bit more detail by the Court on this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the decision here and further comments from OfcomWatch (Russ Taylor) and MediaPal@<span class="caps">LSE</span> (Andrew) and Adrian Monck. While some of the counterarguments are dealt with in a bit more detail by the Court on this&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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