Comments on: Will democracy collapse without journalism to provide political information? http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/ views on the news business Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:58:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Morning Links: December 5, 2008 » Nieman Journalism Lab http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/comment-page-1/#comment-2954 Morning Links: December 5, 2008 » Nieman Journalism Lab Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:32:05 +0000 http://adrianmonck.com/?p=2190#comment-2954 [...] Adrian Monck is writing a series of posts on the interplay between journalism and democracy. In this one, he discusses the alternative sources of information for [...] […] Adrian Monck is writing a series of posts on the interplay between journalism and democracy. In this one, he discusses the alternative sources of information for […]

]]> By: Mark Watson http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/comment-page-1/#comment-2774 Mark Watson Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:33:10 +0000 http://adrianmonck.com/?p=2190#comment-2774 Firstly, remember we must check our premises in any discussion, and journalism, which has been regarded as the fourth estate by Burke (attributed), he thought they held power (and I suppose they did at the time) over the clergy, the nobles, and the commons. Today, at least in the USSA, the press is little more than a stenographer for the state (Lew Rockwell's expression for lapdog media). Watch any white house press briefing the last few decades and it is easy to see if a member of the press wants in the room, they will toe the line for the administration, all grandstanding to the contrary notwithstanding. We saw it on fox news when Shawn Hannity and co. routinely disrespected Ron Paul, and when beltway-koch-libertarian(sic) magazine (t)Reason did a Ron Paul hit piece. The other Ailes-boy Rush Limbaugh would not permit any discussion of Paul who had the most money of all republicans going into Iowa. We were unimpressed. We do not expect Ailes to tolerate Napolitano much longer- he's too much like us. Great show though as long as he is still on- internet only. They (lapdog media) should be reporting the truth,but they are not uncovering it. When they do find it out, they are paid to steer clear of reporting it. They do not serve their subscriber's interests. Subscription journalism is going away- now we will have Nascar/Indycar media- Wherever advertising dollars go, is where journalism will go. Advertising dollars are corporate. Corporations receive kickbacks from government through lobbyists. Boeing gets no unfavorable advertising, and yet you should learn what they are doing to our very own borders. Game over. Soon even blog media will be Hannitized, opposing points of view will not be discussed in earnest- only at most paid lipservice. Cache will be deleted. It will be just like 1984. Newspeak is already here. Have a double-plus-good day and enjoy your chocolate ration. Mark Cynical- Hell Yes. I do not get cable- I watch Hulu and for my entertainment. When I want news, I go to LewRockwell.com and DrudgeReport.com Firstly, remember we must check our premises in any discussion, and journalism, which has been regarded as the fourth estate by Burke (attributed), he thought they held power (and I suppose they did at the time) over the clergy, the nobles, and the commons.

Today, at least in the USSA, the press is little more than a stenographer for the state (Lew Rockwell’s expression for lapdog media). Watch any white house press briefing the last few decades and it is easy to see if a member of the press wants in the room, they will toe the line for the administration, all grandstanding to the contrary notwithstanding.

We saw it on fox news when Shawn Hannity and co. routinely disrespected Ron Paul, and when beltway-koch-libertarian(sic) magazine (t)Reason did a Ron Paul hit piece. The other Ailes-boy Rush Limbaugh would not permit any discussion of Paul who had the most money of all republicans going into Iowa. We were unimpressed. We do not expect Ailes to tolerate Napolitano much longer- he’s too much like us. Great show though as long as he is still on- internet only.

They (lapdog media) should be reporting the truth,but they are not uncovering it. When they do find it out, they are paid to steer clear of reporting it. They do not serve their subscriber’s interests. Subscription journalism is going away- now we will have Nascar/Indycar media- Wherever advertising dollars go, is where journalism will go. Advertising dollars are corporate. Corporations receive kickbacks from government through lobbyists. Boeing gets no unfavorable advertising, and yet you should learn what they are doing to our very own borders.

Game over.

Soon even blog media will be Hannitized, opposing points of view will not be discussed in earnest- only at most paid lipservice. Cache will be deleted. It will be just like 1984.

Newspeak is already here.

Have a double-plus-good day and enjoy your chocolate ration.

Mark

Cynical- Hell Yes.

I do not get cable- I watch Hulu and for my entertainment. When I want news, I go to LewRockwell.com and DrudgeReport.com

]]> By: Feeding the Shark » Democracy isn't just votes http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/comment-page-1/#comment-2742 Feeding the Shark » Democracy isn't just votes Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:25:27 +0000 http://adrianmonck.com/?p=2190#comment-2742 [...] points to research that suggests voters use seven different sources of information when making their political decisions — [...] […] points to research that suggests voters use seven different sources of information when making their political decisions — […]

]]> By: 2008 - top ten posts | Adrian Monck http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/comment-page-1/#comment-1766 2008 - top ten posts | Adrian Monck Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:35:26 +0000 http://adrianmonck.com/?p=2190#comment-1766 [...] Will Democracy Collapse Without Journalism to Provide Political Information? Well? Will it? [...] […] Will Democracy Collapse Without Journalism to Provide Political Information? Well? Will it? […]

]]> By: Adrian Monck http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/comment-page-1/#comment-1688 Adrian Monck Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:35:14 +0000 http://adrianmonck.com/?p=2190#comment-1688 Thanks Seamus - on the last point, isn't it valuable for the element of uncertainty that it injects into the system? Thanks Seamus - on the last point, isn’t it valuable for the element of uncertainty that it injects into the system?

]]> By: Seamus McCauley http://adrianmonck.com/2008/12/democracy-collapse-journalism-provide-political-information/comment-page-1/#comment-1683 Seamus McCauley Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:11:34 +0000 http://adrianmonck.com/?p=2190#comment-1683 I turn as ever on such questions to Caplan's <em><a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qLEbLIAovFkC" rel="nofollow">Myth of the Rational Voter</a></em>, which shows that for all the information to which voters ostensibly have access they vote according to a predictable set of systematic biases and misconceptions. Since the seven or eight existing sources of political information we have confer no measurable benefit on the quality of the electorate's decision-making process I have to agree with you that the loss of one of them would be trivial for democracy. There's also an issue as to whether it matters very much at all which of two functionally-indistinguishable branches of the same oligarchy we congratulate ourselves for kicking out every four or five years (see amongst others <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Crossman" rel="nofollow">Crossman</a>'s <em>Plato Today</em> for a view on how long this has been the situation). I turn as ever on such questions to Caplan’s Myth of the Rational Voter, which shows that for all the information to which voters ostensibly have access they vote according to a predictable set of systematic biases and misconceptions.

Since the seven or eight existing sources of political information we have confer no measurable benefit on the quality of the electorate’s decision-making process I have to agree with you that the loss of one of them would be trivial for democracy.

There’s also an issue as to whether it matters very much at all which of two functionally-indistinguishable branches of the same oligarchy we congratulate ourselves for kicking out every four or five years (see amongst others Crossman’s Plato Today for a view on how long this has been the situation).

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