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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Bob - and I saw from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/practicing-theft-superior-ive-alerted.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your blog&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;ve suggested a sensible correction on what looks like scanned text in one of the W.T. Stead pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Bob - and I saw from <a href="http://boblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/practicing-theft-superior-ive-alerted.html" rel="nofollow">your blog</a> you&#8217;ve suggested a sensible correction on what looks like scanned text in one of the <span class="caps">W.T.</span> Stead&nbsp;pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: bob stepno</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob stepno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these distracting links... 

For those who might want more of Mill...  I was struck by the &quot;and even&quot; phrase in a sentence about the necessary &quot;conditions for the formation and propagation of a public opinion.&quot; Such, he says, &quot;required the press, &lt;b&gt;and even the newspaper press&lt;/b&gt;, the real equivalent, though not in all respects an adequate one, of the Pnyx and the Forum.&quot;

Also, in the Stead piece (&quot;instead&quot;?), I find this an interesting note on the trend to corporate-chain media and the decline in &quot;local&quot; journalism:

&quot;A newspaper must &#039;palpitate with actuality;&#039; it must be a mirror reflecting all the ever-varying phases of life in the locality. Hence it represents a district as no member can, for, whereas he may be a stranger, selected at a crisis to say ditto to Mr. Gladstone or to Lord Salisbury on some issue five years dead and gone, the newspaper... is a page from the book of the life of the town in which it appears, a valuable transcript of yesterday&#039;s words, thoughts, and deeds.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these distracting&nbsp;links&#8230; </p>
<p>For those who might want more of Mill&#8230;  I was struck by the &#8220;and even&#8221; phrase in a sentence about the necessary &#8220;conditions for the formation and propagation of a public opinion.&#8221; Such, he says, &#8220;required the press, <b>and even the newspaper press</b>, the real equivalent, though not in all respects an adequate one, of the Pnyx and the&nbsp;Forum.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, in the Stead piece (&#8220;instead&#8221;?), I find this an interesting note on the trend to corporate-chain media and the decline in &#8220;local&#8221;&nbsp;journalism:</p>
<p><span class="dquo"><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span></span>A newspaper must &#8216;palpitate with actuality;&#8217; it must be a mirror reflecting all the ever-varying phases of life in the locality. Hence it represents a district as no member can, for, whereas he may be a stranger, selected at a crisis to say ditto to Mr. Gladstone or to Lord Salisbury on some issue five years dead and gone, the newspaper&#8230; is a page from the book of the life of the town in which it appears, a valuable transcript of yesterday&#8217;s words, thoughts, and&nbsp;deeds.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Links: December 5, 2008 &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morning Links: December 5, 2008 &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Adrian Monck is writing a series of posts on the interplay between journalism and democracy. In this one, he discusses the alternative [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Adrian Monck is writing a series of posts on the interplay between journalism and democracy. In this one, he discusses the alternative&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think journalism has let down democracy. Certainly in terms of traditional media.

Recall Rupert Murdoch&#039;s stance during the war. Of his many hundreds of newspapers world wide every last single one of them backed war in the run up to shock and awe.  That did not reflect the people.  That is not journalism and democracy working together.

Especially when you remember that Blair had his, not so secret, island meeting with Murdoch ahead of becoming Prime Minister. It took Murdoch&#039;s power to get him elected and there has been plenty of payback.

The same goes for America where Fox News becme a laughing stock for it&#039;s all guns blazing support of Bush and the Bush wars and the way it undermined Kerry in the last American election.

It&#039;s true to say that democracy doesn&#039;t function without journalism but how can any one make an informed choice on who to vote for when the media can so easily be bought and form alliances with political parties?

Even the apparently non partisan BBC - fresh from its Dodgy Dossier hammering actually offered the least coverage of Iraq war demonstrations of any major news network.

And previous to that, how many newspapers and TV stations gladly parroted 45 minutes to attack - which was clearly was proved to be false?  As of course was the whole WOMD lie

We hear a lot about traditional media losing out to the net - because the web is free.  I think that actual dissatisfaction with the media and mistrust has at least as much to do with it.

There is also another danger - the alliances, the advertising, the back scratching is what blunted our media and made it untrustworthy. Increasingly the empahsis on bloggers to make their efforts pay - will also have the same affects.

Advertisers are not just taking space, they are influencing.  Once bloggers become slaves to fortune the way papers are then there will be less ojectives reporting or opinions.

Even having heralded Obama&#039;s use of social media in his election campaign we should not forget that this is not objective coverage - it is part of a party political machine.  The old blogger culture would have applauded those outside questionning rather than the party sponsored consultants doing their bit.

What was once counter culture is now becoming mainstream.  We need to continue to fight that.  All the social media consultants and professional bloggers  and dabbling journalists need to know that a good blogger is, more often than not, not one that makes a profit.  

In fact money will more than likely detract from what they are trying to say and will certainly make them contribute less affectively as a tool for democracy.

I should add to that - people repeatedly lump in YouTube, Flickr, Facebook, Twitter etc in with blogging.  As much as I use them all and they are incredibly useful - I still think they are detracting from blogging.  People don&#039;t write comment on news any more - they just share the news.

And with fewer people blogging we&#039;re back to traditional media blogs with their axes to grind - rather than those who really want to change the status quo and have no one sponsoring their efforts to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think journalism has let down democracy. Certainly in terms of traditional&nbsp;media.</p>
<p>Recall Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s stance during the war. Of his many hundreds of newspapers world wide every last single one of them backed war in the run up to shock and awe.  That did not reflect the people.  That is not journalism and democracy working&nbsp;together.</p>
<p>Especially when you remember that Blair had his, not so secret, island meeting with Murdoch ahead of becoming Prime Minister. It took Murdoch&#8217;s power to get him elected and there has been plenty of&nbsp;payback.</p>
<p>The same goes for America where Fox News becme a laughing stock for it&#8217;s all guns blazing support of Bush and the Bush wars and the way it undermined Kerry in the last American&nbsp;election.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true to say that democracy doesn&#8217;t function without journalism but how can any one make an informed choice on who to vote for when the media can so easily be bought and form alliances with political&nbsp;parties?</p>
<p>Even the apparently non partisan <span class="caps">BBC</span> - fresh from its Dodgy Dossier hammering actually offered the least coverage of Iraq war demonstrations of any major news&nbsp;network.</p>
<p>And previous to that, how many newspapers and <span class="caps">TV</span> stations gladly parroted 45 minutes to attack - which was clearly was proved to be false?  As of course was the whole <span class="caps">WOMD</span>&nbsp;lie</p>
<p>We hear a lot about traditional media losing out to the net - because the web is free.  I think that actual dissatisfaction with the media and mistrust has at least as much to do with&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>There is also another danger - the alliances, the advertising, the back scratching is what blunted our media and made it untrustworthy. Increasingly the empahsis on bloggers to make their efforts pay - will also have the same&nbsp;affects.</p>
<p>Advertisers are not just taking space, they are influencing.  Once bloggers become slaves to fortune the way papers are then there will be less ojectives reporting or&nbsp;opinions.</p>
<p>Even having heralded Obama&#8217;s use of social media in his election campaign we should not forget that this is not objective coverage - it is part of a party political machine.  The old blogger culture would have applauded those outside questionning rather than the party sponsored consultants doing their&nbsp;bit.</p>
<p>What was once counter culture is now becoming mainstream.  We need to continue to fight that.  All the social media consultants and professional bloggers  and dabbling journalists need to know that a good blogger is, more often than not, not one that makes a&nbsp;profit.  </p>
<p>In fact money will more than likely detract from what they are trying to say and will certainly make them contribute less affectively as a tool for&nbsp;democracy.</p>
<p>I should add to that - people repeatedly lump in YouTube, Flickr, Facebook, Twitter etc in with blogging.  As much as I use them all and they are incredibly useful - I still think they are detracting from blogging.  People don&#8217;t write comment on news any more - they just share the&nbsp;news.</p>
<p>And with fewer people blogging we&#8217;re back to traditional media blogs with their axes to grind - rather than those who really want to change the status quo and have no one sponsoring their efforts to do&nbsp;so.</p>
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